{"id":1374,"date":"2025-03-29T19:53:51","date_gmt":"2025-03-29T17:53:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thedefender.media\/?p=1374"},"modified":"2025-11-18T23:13:43","modified_gmt":"2025-11-18T21:13:43","slug":"interview-bogdan-sas-buntar-aerospace","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thedefender.media\/en\/2025\/03\/interview-bogdan-sas-buntar-aerospace\/","title":{"rendered":"“In 2025, we plan to sell a hundred flagship drones and secure a $3-5 million funding round” \u2013 Bohdan Sas, Buntar Aerospace"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

The Ukrainian startup Buntar Aerospace <\/a>develops reconnaissance drones and software for them. Last week, the project was named<\/a> one of the three winners of the DOU Awards in the “Most Promising Project in the Defence Tech Sector” category. To date, the project has secured nearly $4 million in investments and plans to close a new, even larger funding round in 2025. Defender<\/em> spoke with Buntar Aerospace co-founder Bohdan Sas about last year\u2019s breakthrough in Ukrainian defence tech, the industry’s key challenges, the company\u2019s product lineup, sales funnel, and plans for the near future.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

How would you assess the past year in Ukrainian defence tech?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

It was a breakthrough \u2014 the market took a huge step forward. There were multiple times more new projects, investments, and collaborations between startups. We now have some quite mature companies in the sector. Additionally, more opportunities for international cooperation have emerged. For instance, the UK Ministry of Defence has granted our companies access to several of its tenders.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

These observations are backed by research data. A year and a half ago, when we were just launching Buntar Aerospace, securing even a million dollars in investment for a Ukrainian defence tech project seemed like a dream. There were no more than ten relevant venture funds worldwide, and even they hadn\u2019t yet raised capital for their funds. But now, there are dozens\u2014possibly even a hundred\u2014active pre-seed investors who are seriously considering Ukrainian startups.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What about the downsides?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

I don\u2019t really want to talk about this, but the reality is that “busification” has become a serious issue for defence startups. The Territorial Recruitment Centers (TRCs) are cleverly manipulating the laws. At one point, everyone suddenly found themselves on a wanted list\u2014even those who had updated their records on time and passed the military medical commission. While most defence startups have the option to reserve employees from mobilization, this often gets blocked by bureaucratic hurdles and arbitrary decisions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

To get an exemption, you need to update your records. But to update your records, you have to visit the TCC. And if you step into the TCC and they haven’t met their conscription quota, the usual “Soviet-style” moral pressure begins. When a recruitment officer starts swearing at a reserved engineer, telling him his life is worthless and that, with or without an exemption, he\u2019ll end up at the front anyway\u2014some people break. And once they end up in a distribution center, there\u2019s no way to get them out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Unfortunately, this happens, and I don’t want to stay silent about it. I believe there are solutions if people stop turning a blind eye. Of course, mobilization is necessary\u2014I know what\u2019s happening on the front lines. I frequently visit frontline units, and my co-founder at Buntar Aerospace, Ivan Kaunov, enlisted at the start of the full-scale war and is still serving today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Ivan
Ivan Kaunov. Photo courtesy of Buntar Aerospace<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

But right now, mobilization feels more like lawlessness. Just a week before this interview, another one of our employees was mobilized, bringing the total to five. These specialists are extremely difficult to replace because we set a very high bar for expertise. And it\u2019s not just us \u2014 colleagues from other companies in the industry regularly call me, asking if I can help in any way. But I\u2019m in the same situation myself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What could be done, in your opinion?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Small adjustments won\u2019t solve anything. The only way forward is through radical changes. Right now, there is no real protection from the TCCs, which is why they operate in a state of total lawlessness. We have two ongoing court cases for our employees, but what\u2019s the point if one of them has already been through three combat rotations? He\u2019s a soldier now\u2014there\u2019s no going back. The system needs a complete overhaul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

When an employee is placed on a “special reserve” list and officially exempted, they should be fully protected and able to work without disruption. But the process of updating one\u2019s exemption status is a nightmare. The moment you enter a TCC, there\u2019s a 90% chance you won\u2019t walk out\u2014even if you have a full set of documents from an employer recognized as critical infrastructure. They simply don\u2019t care.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The first thing I\u2019d change is this system. Employees of critical infrastructure companies should be able to update their records without such risks. Right now, no document offers any guarantees. There\u2019s a very high probability you\u2019ll be conscripted in the least humane way possible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Of course, there\u2019s another side to this issue. The number of so-called critical infrastructure companies has exploded. About 90% of these exemptions were issued by regional military administrations\u2014to random entities like “Taxi Services of Khmelnytskyi” or the “Traveling Circus of Cherkasy.” But defence companies are designated critical by the Ministry of Defence or the Ministry of Strategic Industries. That means the project is genuinely important for national security, doesn\u2019t it? We didn\u2019t get our status through a vote in some regional council.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There are people in the government who could influence this. They just need to say outright that the TCCs shouldn\u2019t be operating this way. But right now, everyone is silent\u2014no one wants to take on the political burden of addressing this problem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Is this the only problem?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

There\u2019s another big one\u2014many people, including some of our international partners, actually believe the war is winding down. A third of them ask us, \u201cWell, the war is almost over, so what are your future plans? Maybe you should pivot from military drones to dual-use technology?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Come on. This war will last for decades \u2014 at least, that\u2019s my gut feeling. It will go through different phases, with varying levels of intensity, but it will drag on. We\u2019ve been in a state of war since at least 2014, and emotionally, since 1991. And I don\u2019t see how that could change anytime soon. Honestly, I\u2019d consider it a positive outcome if this conflict doesn\u2019t escalate into World War III.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

From the Big Picture to the Specifics: How Was 2024 for Buntar Aerospace?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Last year accounted for most of our project\u2019s lifetime, and we went through everything imaginable. We secured nearly $4 million in investment. We built our first team \u2014 but we moved too slowly, so we had to restructure. Then came intense R&D, working on multiple projects at the same time. Eventually, we realized we had taken on too much. The next step was refocusing on the most effective projects. That\u2019s where we are now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In numbers: we developed 12 types of UAVs. That\u2019s a lot. Normally, it takes about a year to develop just one \u2014 but we built more than ten. In the end, we took the best features from each model and created our flagship drone: the Buntar-3.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Buntar-3.
Buntar-3. Photo courtesy of Buntar Aerospace<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Over the past year, we\u2019ve significantly improved our global outreach. Now, Buntar Aerospace is recognized not just in Ukraine but also across Europe, the UK, and the Middle East. These regions believe in our project and are already anticipating deliveries. That\u2019s a great feeling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Which products did you focus on?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

From the start, our primary product was Buntar, a VTOL reconnaissance drone. But in combat, the ideal solution is a kill chain, a system that not only detects a target but eliminates it as well. This isn\u2019t something a single operator with one drone can achieve. It requires multiple components: an operational strike drone, a tactical strike drone, a swarm of drones, and so on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The market lacked effective solutions for every element of this system, which made us want to develop everything at once. We saw gaps in different areas and felt strongly tempted to fill them all.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

However, we soon realized that spreading ourselves too thin was becoming a major issue. We lacked focus. So, we made the tough decision to offload certain aspects to outsourcing. This included elements of the navigation system, swarm management (which we\u2019re now planning to develop in partnership with Swarmer), and other technologies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You\u2019ve raised a few million already, where did the investments go?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Yes, we secured additional funding commitments, bringing our total investment to nearly $4 million. We\u2019ve invested in R&D, manufacturing, and our team.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A lesser-known fact is that last year, we executed three small M&A deals. Essentially, we integrated three teams into Buntar Aerospace \u2014 along with their products.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What were those teams working on?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

The first team specialized in communications and autopilot systems. The second focused on strike drones. The third developed a small reconnaissance drone, which eventually evolved into Skyhopper, now our most widely produced product.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, right now your main focus is on the VTOL Recon Drone (Buntar) and the Skyhopper?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Yes. Additionally, we\u2019ve developed Buntar Copilot, a software solution that we spun off into a separate division last year. We don\u2019t market it as a standalone product since we don\u2019t sell it separately.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There are also a few other exciting developments that we haven\u2019t publicly announced yet, but we\u2019ll share them closer to release. However, our flagship product is Buntar-3 \u2014 everything else revolves around it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What makes Buntar-3 special?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Buntar-3 is a high-end VTOL reconnaissance drone\u2014a true engineering masterpiece. Every single component in it delivers best-in-class performance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We\u2019ve integrated the best technologies available: top-tier wing design, aerodynamics, battery efficiency, motor performance, VTOL capabilities, and autopilot system. One of our partners put it best\u2014we\u2019re building a \u201cboutique-class\u201d drone. It won\u2019t be mass-produced in huge numbers, but when it comes to high-precision reconnaissance for critical missions, Buntar-3 is the drone you can rely on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Buntar-3 is a work of engineering art. Photo courtesy of Buntar Aerospace<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

This drone, equipped with a top-tier camera, can stay airborne for at least four hours. We\u2019re constantly experimenting with communication systems and navigation to refine its capabilities. I might be overhyping our product, but honestly, we\u2019re thrilled with what we\u2019ve built.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

What\u2019s the plan for 2025?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Now it\u2019s time to deploy Buntar-3 in combat zones and begin international sales. These two parallel tracks are our main focus for the year.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do you have sales already?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Yes, but on a limited scale. We sold some Skyhoppers, some Buntars, and even a bit of software, but it wasn\u2019t a large volume. This year, we\u2019re fully focused on selling Buntar-3, with a goal of delivering around 100 units in both Ukraine and foreign markets.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How is your sales operation set up?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Selling military drones isn\u2019t like selling traditional tech \u2014 it\u2019s a hands-on, field-based process. We\u2019ve built a sales team and several flight units that accompany us to the front lines, where we carry out real combat missions with Skyhopper and Buntar-3 in the presence of potential buyers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

My co-founder, Ivan Kaunov, is an active-duty military officer. He has extensive experience with reconnaissance UAVs from various countries and understands firsthand what makes the best drone for modern warfare. That\u2019s how we\u2019ve been able to design the world\u2019s best reconnaissance UAV, right here in Ukraine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That said, active military service comes with responsibilities \u2014 his priority is executing combat missions. Naturally, he doesn\u2019t have time for product demonstrations or sales. That\u2019s where the rest of the team steps in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Buntar
Buntar Aerospace<\/em> team<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

That’s why I have to gain this experience myself and essentially live in the East. Meanwhile, Ivan is focused on finding international clients and building relationships abroad. I try to support him as much as possible. Plus, we have a great team that can handle most tasks independently.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How much do Skyhopper and Buntar-3 cost?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

The Skyhopper costs $6,500, and the ground station is $7,000. Previously, our minimum order was two drones and one ground station, totalling $20,000. Now, we\u2019re trying to increase the average check by offering larger packages.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Buntar-3, depending on the configuration, ranges from $250,000 to $400,000 per system. The base package includes three drones and one ground station, with additional options depending on the buyer’s needs and budget. Customers can choose different communication systems, cameras, and batteries. Essentially, we offer two versions. The high-end version, as I mentioned before, is an engineering masterpiece\u2014completely free of Chinese components.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Is that important for international buyers?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Yes, they specifically requested it, and we can deliver it. Of course, this makes the product more expensive. However, considering that direct competitors of the Buntar-3 are priced up to $750,000, even our premium version remains highly competitive in terms of cost.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

When you say you plan to sell a hundred units in 2025, is that for all models combined?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

No, I was referring specifically to Buntar-3. Skyhopper is already selling at a fairly high volume. These are two completely different markets. Skyhopper is a reconnaissance drone that provides data only after returning to base. Such drones are much cheaper and serve specific types of missions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

For example, say I need to scout an area in the morning that I plan to target in the evening. The Skyhopper flies out, returns with the data, and we proceed accordingly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"The
The launch of Skyhopper. Photo courtesy of Buntar Aerospace<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

When a real-time broadcast from a long distance is needed, more advanced drones like Buntar-3 are used, especially in areas with active electronic warfare and air defence, such as the Pokrovsk direction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Can you describe the ideal scenario for using Buntar-3 on the battlefield?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Here, we need to differentiate between the basic and top-tier configurations. The lower-cost version works with traditional artillery within a 40 km radius. It has a sectoral antenna, providing a 50 km range and 3-3.5 hours of flight time. Its primary purpose is to detect targets for artillery and adjust fire. Simple and reliable, with some savings on the battery and other components.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The reconnaissance UAVs currently used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine perform the same task, but they suffer from connection issues, unstable images, and rapid battery drain. You have to land one drone and launch another. The advantage of Buntar-3 is that we can operate multiple drones at the same time, make accurate calculations considering the wind, and ensure a stable connection. Because with current drones \u2014 I’m not naming them \u2014 they might run out of battery before reaching their destination, and then you’re left searching for them for hours in a dangerous area.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"Photo
Photo courtesy of Buntar Aerospace<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Buntar-3 is a new generation drone, which I call a “smart aircraft.” It calculates the time to return based on factors like wind, battery discharge curve, altitude, descent time, and more. When it signals that it will return in 20 minutes, we launch a second drone. We then swap out the battery for the first one, and it\u2019s ready to go again. So, in reality, Buntar doesn\u2019t just provide 3-4-5 hours in the air \u2014 it enables 24\/7 reconnaissance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And this is just for the basic, cheaper version?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Yes. The more expensive version is effectively a class of internal combustion engine drones. We can offer over 100 km of range and several hours of operation in areas with intense combat. I believe we\u2019ll be able to demonstrate its capabilities in combat scenarios by April.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This is no longer a product for regular artillery, but for MRLS, multiple rocket launchers, and HIMARS. And I think our drone will surprise the enemy because, compared to internal combustion engine drones, it has a completely different thermal signature. On radar, they won\u2019t be able to distinguish Buntar-3 from a large bird and certainly won\u2019t recognize it as an internal combustion engine drone because Buntar doesn\u2019t heat up that much. As a result, there\u2019s a lower chance of air defense targeting it. Combined with MRLS, this drone will allow us to strike “high-value” targets, like S-400 systems.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Buntar-3 in flight. Photo courtesy of Buntar Aerospace<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s worth mentioning that Buntar-3 operates completely without GPS. On the battlefield, quality GPS is often unavailable, so from the very beginning, we sought ways to work without it. Half of the team said it wouldn’t work, but the other half insisted we could figure something out. Now, we can fly entirely without GPS \u2014 take off, land, and fly. We\u2019re now finalizing everything in the fuselage, and it will be a masterpiece.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Who else in Ukraine is making impressive drones like yours?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

I wouldn\u2019t call them competitors; they\u2019re market colleagues with whom we actively collaborate and exchange experiences. In my opinion, apart from us, there are four serious manufacturers of reconnaissance drones in Ukraine. For example, Skyeton. Everything else outside the top five consists of small drones like Skyhopper or imports. Overall, there are over 80 UAV manufacturers in Ukraine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How do units purchase drones? Has anything changed with the creation of the UAV Forces?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s a complicated issue \u2014 right now, there\u2019s more chaos than order. For me, it\u2019s still a quest. Some people buy through logistics commands, some with their own budgets, and some with partner\/volunteer funds. That\u2019s why we diversify our risk by selling through various channels to different units. Things change every week \u2014 someone gets fired, someone is reassigned, and we need to renegotiate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It\u2019s a bit of a mess, which gives me a headache, but at the same time, it\u2019s good because there are different sales channels and no single centralized one. If there was just one sales channel, it would create enormous corruption risks, and communication would be much harder because the responsible body would have an endless line.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How many people work at Buntar Aerospace?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

We have 35 people now. Last year, we had some fluctuations, but now we\u2019ve stabilized.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Are you looking for new team members?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

We don\u2019t have many open public vacancies, but we always seek talent. Recently, my partner and I were discussing what the ideal ‘rebel’ (which is the meaning of the word ‘buntar’ in Ukrainian) profile looks like. We realized there are three criteria: competence, honesty, and the desire to achieve a common goal. Those are the people we look for. “Not our” people filter out quickly. But \u201cour\u201d people stay long-term and get immense satisfaction from building a next-generation defense company.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We are always happy to have avionics engineers, radio communication specialists, and production workers. Right now, we\u2019re also looking for an SMM manager. We want to communicate our many achievements to the world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do you plan to raise money in 2025? And when do you expect to break even?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

We plan to break even in the first half of this year, no later than the second quarter. After that, we will most likely raise a new round of funding, probably in the third quarter. The investments will go towards scaling up. We will need to significantly increase our working capital, which means we\u2019ll need a round of $3-5 million.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How will you attract this funding?<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

We\u2019ll see. It might not be a venture investment, but rather a strategic partnership. We\u2019ll be looking at two parameters \u2014 money and the partner\u2019s capabilities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Right now, we know exactly who we want to work with and where we want to go, as well as what we need for that. I\u2019m specifically talking about an international partner who, besides money, can help with technology and business development. Among these partners are companies with extensive experience in the defense market, who have clients in dozens of different countries, including NATO members. And we understand how to access international contracts through them.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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